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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 20, 2022 18:58:11 GMT
Loving K-Mag's result. 10 days ago I don't think anyone thought we'd see him in F1 again. Buzzing.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 20, 2022 23:23:02 GMT
Pretty good first race. The new cars do appear to be able to follow which is the best news.
Bit disappointed by the gap between Ferrari and Red Bull and everyone else.
Merc a full second a lap slower and in no man's land, with the midfield another 0.5s further back is no better than 2021. Telling that Red Bull felt they had enough of an advantage over the rest to gamble on an extra stop and bank fastest lap. Need at least a third competitive team and ideally the midfield to catch up so that we don't have more 'free' pitstops for the top teams this year.
Pleased for KMag and Bottas. Gutted for McLaren and to a lesser extent Williams. Hopefully they both have some quick fixes.
Leclerc was imperious today. Im a fan of Charles but hoping Carlos can close that gap asap as I don't trust Ferrari to run equal number ones for very long.
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Post by Psychotext on Mar 21, 2022 0:20:19 GMT
Yeah, that's what I want from this year. 3 top teams and never knowing who was going to win from week to week?
Awesome.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 21, 2022 7:25:30 GMT
I do worry that the tyres are going to undermine the regs a bit from the looks of it. They look to have not got the deg right again, and if the tiptoeing outlap they had to do isn't track specific, might even have killed the undercut too.
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Post by snackplissken on Mar 21, 2022 7:49:17 GMT
Yeah it’s going to be won and lost in the pits.
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Post by Gruf on Mar 21, 2022 8:46:53 GMT
Enjoyed the race, lots going on throughout.
Worry, seems like the Ferrari engines dominated and with the engines basically locked in for years this could lead to dominance, especially when RB totally divorces from Honda.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 21, 2022 8:46:53 GMT
I see the concern but it's really early days for assessing the tyres. I don't necessarily think a pronounced 'undercut' is good for the sport anyway so wouldn't morn the loss. I don't find pure pitstop overtakes satisfying but different strategies that rely on getting through traffic certainly is. If overtaking is easier you'd hope it encourages teams to give up track position more often.
I like the fact that they have free choice on starting tyre now and there did seem to be a bit of variation there. As much as anything I think we need Pirelli to guess right and bring three viable compounds every race so that varied strategies are feasible.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 21, 2022 8:49:11 GMT
Definitely not time to write it off or anything and the cars seem to do the business better than I hoped, just Pirelli doing Pirelli things. I really hope we aren't in for another era of drivers going around 5s off the pace to preserve their tyres.
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Post by dangerousdave on Mar 21, 2022 13:16:45 GMT
Aston Martin and Williams have Mercedes engines, right? Weird to see them and Mclaren all at the back of the field. I know Mercedes made it to the podium, but all 4 teams visibly struggling and giving away very little as to why.
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Post by snackplissken on Mar 21, 2022 13:47:33 GMT
From the previews I was reading Mclaren looked fairly decent. What a shambles that race was..
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 21, 2022 15:01:43 GMT
There was a rumour during the winter that one engine supplier was struggling like fuck with the new fuel. Obviously you just automatically assume it's going to be Renault but I wonder if it's Mercedes?
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Post by A46Matt on Mar 21, 2022 15:21:52 GMT
One things for sure is that the Red Bull DRS is a serious weapon. The closing speed that Max had yesterday was unlike anything I’ve ever seen in F1 before.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 21, 2022 16:00:18 GMT
There was a rumour during the winter that one engine supplier was struggling like fuck with the new fuel. Obviously you just automatically assume it's going to be Renault but I wonder if it's Mercedes? Apparently the new fuel was a factor in RBs pump issues. Something to do with how Honda have failed to anticipate the way the properties of the fuel changes under gforce (disclaimer - I don't understand it). Doesn't look great for Mercedes but it's also true that the four Merc teams each have major aero issues as well so far from certain they are at a disadvantage. However clear that they certainly don't have an advantage anymore, or at least not one that is sufficient to compensate for a bad car.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 21, 2022 16:04:28 GMT
Yeah it's difficult to suggest correlation = causation after just one race. In fairness if you were going to pick a few teams you wouldn't be surprised to design a shitbox you'd probably look at guys like AM and (sob) McLaren. Time will tell. Really excited for the next race already.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 21, 2022 16:06:33 GMT
One things for sure is that the Red Bull DRS is a serious weapon. The closing speed that Max had yesterday was unlike anything I’ve ever seen in F1 before. Yeah was insane, more so even that Merc at Brazil last year. Couldn't believe how far back he could attack from. Wonder if it's as much to do with deployment as DRS, the telemetry will be interesting for sure.
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Post by monkman5000 on Mar 21, 2022 16:21:22 GMT
Surely the DRS should add the same benefit for all cars? They have to be an exact size, as Lewis found out in Brazil. Unless the RB has an unusually small rear wing, meaning that the hole is relatively larger?
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 21, 2022 16:25:09 GMT
Very much seemed deployment to me. Speed traps and static numbers don't really tell us the full story anymore. Its like Hamilton in Brazil; on the face of it his top speed would have made you wonder what all the fuss was about, but his drive on the hill climb was absolutely insane, much like Max yesterday at the end of the straight. Funny as the Honda struggled for years when they came in at that exact phase, and now they are running like everyone else is on 1 AI.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 21, 2022 16:40:37 GMT
Surely the DRS should add the same benefit for all cars? They have to be an exact size, as Lewis found out in Brazil. Unless the RB has an unusually small rear wing, meaning that the hole is relatively larger? Last year there was certainly discsussion around individual teams DRS chord length which meant some were more effective that others (though of course over time they all converged on similar designs). Not sure how the DRS regs have changed this year. Anyway in principle, there shouldn't much variation, but I don't think they are a standard part so there may be scope to get an edge there.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 21, 2022 17:17:46 GMT
Did the Marquez high side get discussed here btw? Onlys just seen it and it's insane. It's hard to believe MotoGP is allowed in current form, it just looks so absurdly dangerous.
Clearly rider protection is the best it's ever been but they still seem so vulnerable, what with the laws of physics being what they are.
I don't follow it these days but have huge admiration for those guys. Honestly, you see 'tough guys' in all sorts of sport, but I think MotoGP (and TT tbf) riders have to be the bravest sportsmen around. What they do is unfathomable to about 99.999% of the population.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 17:25:01 GMT
Did the Marquez high side get discussed here btw? Onlys just seen it and it's insane. It's hard to believe MotoGP is allowed in current form, it just looks so absurdly dangerous. Clearly rider protection is the best it's ever been but they still seem so vulnerable, what with the laws of physics being what they are. I don't follow it these days but have huge admiration for those guys. Honestly, you see 'tough guys' in all sorts of sport, but I think MotoGP (and TT tbf) riders have to be the bravest sportsmen around. What they do is unfathomable to about 99.999% of the population. Motogp guys I respect. Tough, cool, skilled. Track days etc you can emulate and have fun. It is dangerous but very few deaths, Simoncelli was 11 years ago. TT etc. I genuinely think those guys all have some mental issues. It comes close to a line alongside free climbing, cave diving etc where I just think of it as a slow suicide bid. Doesn't stop me fucking loving it, but I feel guilty supporting it. I have sat in the garages at the TT and they are full of crippled guys who despite being maimed are still addicted to the bikes. Just look at Connor Cummings, anyone who does this then races a couple years later js insane. See also the Dunlop brother racing the day after their dad died. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DY07yt87lhEA&ved=2ahUKEwjNrvCY3Nf2AhVQi1wKHSD3B7UQxa8BegQICBAF&usg=AOvVaw2WAFnFhUGgb8J-bfgzsGQU
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Post by elstoof on Mar 21, 2022 17:27:29 GMT
That high side was ridiculous. Somethings gone very wrong for MM to bin it 4 times in 2 days, either he’s pushing the bike too hard or he can’t do what he used to any more
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 21, 2022 17:48:18 GMT
Jesus wept, had to have a watch and that's a big fat nope from me.
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Post by elstoof on Mar 21, 2022 18:04:32 GMT
The riders are really bitching about the 22 Honda, after years of making a bike only MM could ride they must’ve hedged their bets and made something more manageable. He can’t work the front tyre like he used to, or maybe he can’t feel with his fucked arm properly, who knows
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Post by A46Matt on Mar 21, 2022 18:27:32 GMT
As Elstoof said, Marquez has been moaning about the front end of the new Honda not being to his liking. It’s not unusual for him to crash a lot in practice as he’s one to push and find the limits but that high side was mad. There was a lot of energy going through that
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Mar 21, 2022 18:29:55 GMT
That high side was ridiculous. Somethings gone very wrong for MM to bin it 4 times in 2 days, either he’s pushing the bike too hard or he can’t do what he used to any more It’s probably a bit of both, bike and him. He pretty much missed 18 months of riding though various big injuries. He is a rider that always pushed the laws of physics with his riding style as it was. Great to watch but yeah, looks like it’s caught up with him.
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Post by elstoof on Mar 21, 2022 19:16:10 GMT
How long until he does that while attempting a pass on the inside though. And no one in their right mind would’ve jumped in front of those qualifiers on hot laps to try and get a tow off nakagami
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Post by A46Matt on Mar 22, 2022 10:42:25 GMT
Marquez suffering with Diplopia again after his crash. Gotta be getting to the point where he weighs up if it’s worth it anymore.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 22, 2022 12:46:33 GMT
Only just watched that highside. Wow.
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 23, 2022 10:46:42 GMT
New owners of F1 considering dumping French and Belgian GPs while adding Las Vegas. No Spa?! Come back Bernie, all is forgiven.
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Post by monkman5000 on Mar 23, 2022 10:59:22 GMT
You can't drop Spa, that would be criminal.
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