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Post by mastercracker on Jul 28, 2024 14:41:33 GMT
Hamilton seems well cheesed off Tbf he did say on the radio his tyres were fine and was brought in anyway. To have lead the race from almost start to finish and then your mates in the way at the end, I’d be frothing too.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Jul 28, 2024 14:42:20 GMT
Very surprising that Hamilton isn’t all smiles after having just lost out to his teammate.
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Post by muddyfunster on Jul 28, 2024 14:44:07 GMT
Worth keeping in mind that had Max actually started on pole he'd probably have won a fairly boring lights to flag race.
Ended up less than 10s off the lead. Great that RB don't get those DRS freebies anymore. Being out of position hurts them just as much as everyone else.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jul 28, 2024 14:49:17 GMT
Seemed whoever lead had a bigger than usual advantage today. I don't necessarily think Merc had the absolute best car despite getting the 1-2. Teams being all over the place with wing levels meant they all kind of converged to the same sort of laptime despite being much quicker/slower than each other on different parts of track.
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Post by Phattso on Jul 28, 2024 14:52:20 GMT
Very surprising that Hamilton isn’t all smiles after having just lost out to his teammate. I think there are times when he's been magnanimous or congratulatory. Nothing like that today for sure. It's kinda heartening to see that even after achieving so much it still hurts when he thinks he's been fucked over. Smiles I'm not expecting. A bit of eye contact and a genuine congratulation? Maybe. That said - Ferrari is just around the corner I guess.
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Post by Phattso on Jul 28, 2024 14:53:46 GMT
Also fun to see Perez starting where he did, but still finishing behind Verstappen. Jesus, put the man out of his misery already.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jul 28, 2024 14:56:49 GMT
He did congratulate him when they got out of the cars. Unless it was omitted from the broadcast he also didn't whinge over the radio to be favoured, just got on with it. Which seems to be a rarity in modern F1.
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Post by Phattso on Jul 28, 2024 14:59:45 GMT
Yeah, there was a passing fist bump or something. Ice in the cooldown room though. But yeah - not expecting him to be bouncing off the walls or anything, but seemed a bit much.
I'm just pleased the race was entertaining from start to finish, nobody got taken out, no safety cars, just a fairly memorable race (relative to an unmemorable period of F1).
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Post by muddyfunster on Jul 28, 2024 15:08:17 GMT
He also made a point of saying congrats to George. Hamilton has his flaws but a while back he made a conscious decision to be a better sportsman and he's absolutely stuck by it in terms of how he handles himself post race. Even if his face doesn't always match his words.
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Post by Phattso on Jul 28, 2024 15:10:16 GMT
Oh yeah, he did the whole PR bit of congratulating his teammate and the crew and the people back at the factory (a routine so perfunctory now it's almost without meaning).
Sounds like I'm ragging on him, but I'm really not. I was really willing him on those last few laps to get the overtake done. Hamilton P1, Russell P2 was my preferred outcome based on the shape of the race there.
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Post by muddyfunster on Jul 28, 2024 15:17:01 GMT
Bit embarrassing for Perez to turn P2 to P8 and nicking a point off Norris for fastest lap. Just reinforced the idea that being 0.3-0.6 a lap off Max in the same car is no longer enough to make him useful. Only thing that might save him is the fact that Red Bull don't have an obviously stronger candidate to hand.
Carlos is still available for 2025.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jul 28, 2024 15:33:42 GMT
The Hamilton of the pre-Vettel bromance would absolutely have said something disingenuous and eye-rolly about today. I'd expect any driver to be crestfallen losing the way he did today so looking a bit mopey is understandable.
But isn't it great that we've seen a sportsman actually grow better as a person and a competitor as the accolades have mounted up behind him rather than worse? If you'd have told me 10 years ago I'd have been delighted watching Hamilton win a race at Silverstone I'd have laughed in your face. Fucking hell, 5 years ago!
The reason that wasn't the case and the reason he's now amongst my favourite drivers is because he's become a champion off the track as well as on it. I'm not going to suck him off too much as I've got a reputation to uphold, but the greatest achievement of his career isn't 7 world championships but the man he's become. Go and watch the 2021 Abu Dhabi post race if you need further elaboration.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 28, 2024 15:35:32 GMT
Perez had the perfect opportunity to lay down some sort of marker today and blew it, fastest lap is an achievement but when you start second and don't even finish top 5 you've fucked up.
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Post by mastercracker on Jul 28, 2024 15:44:48 GMT
The Hamilton of the pre-Vettel bromance would absolutely have said something disingenuous and eye-rolly about today. I'd expect any driver to be crestfallen losing the way he did today so looking a bit mopey is understandable. But isn't it great that we've seen a sportsman actually grow better as a person and a competitor as the accolades have mounted up behind him rather than worse? If you'd have told me 10 years ago I'd have been delighted watching Hamilton win a race at Silverstone I'd have laughed in your face. Fucking hell, 5 years ago! The reason that wasn't the case and the reason he's now amongst my favourite drivers is because he's become a champion off the track as well as on it. I'm not going to suck him off too much as I've got a reputation to uphold, but the greatest achievement of his career isn't 7 world championships but the man he's become. Go and watch the 2021 Abu Dhabi post race if you need further elaboration. Particularly when Verstappen had driven like a twat at Jeddah then flounced off the podium in a huff. How Hamilton behaved like he did in Abu Dhabi I have no idea, I’d have gone full Carmaggedon on the in lap. He’s a bit aloof and preachy at times but he’s certainly become a decent bloke as the years have gone by. People also forgot he started off as a working class black man in a rich white mans world. Can’t have been easy to find his place and I think that was evident.
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Post by mastercracker on Jul 28, 2024 16:01:42 GMT
Bloody hell after all that looks like Russell’s car is 1.5kg underweight!
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 28, 2024 16:04:04 GMT
Ut oh.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jul 28, 2024 16:05:29 GMT
The media definitely did not help. From day dot of his debut over on ITV he was put on a pedestal and it must be impossible at that age to not start to believe your shit doesn't stink when you're told it over and over again. There were plenty of times he was to blame for incidents or controversy that got more or less whitewashed in popular media because of the British centric nature of the sport.
These days he owns up when he's on the wrong end of an incident, blames himself when he's underperformed and gives credit where it's due. I only wish he was in less of a bubble than he is as he's quite an interesting guy in the rare bits of press work he does away from the circuit.
Ultimately we forget that these guys haven't grown up in conventional circumstances. While Lewis had a more grassroots upbringing than most, he ultimately still became a Ron Dennis project at an age before he could truly mature in the way most do through basic life experience. It why I try not to dislike any of them or get too bothered by how they act in the moment these days. Hopefully they will all have their Hamilton arc at some point in their lives in the future.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 28, 2024 16:09:56 GMT
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jul 28, 2024 16:11:34 GMT
Ha, that's a slam dunk DQ then. Weird one.
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Post by Gruf on Jul 28, 2024 16:28:05 GMT
Well, that's a kick in the ballbag.
Will cheer up sulky Hamilton though
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 28, 2024 16:30:12 GMT
"So that's why I couldn't get him" thinks Lewis.
Assuming his car doesn't fail the weigh in too.
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Post by mastercracker on Jul 28, 2024 16:31:10 GMT
"So that's why I couldn't get him" thinks Lewis. Assuming his car doesn't fail the weigh in too. Picked at random I think? So just cos one Merc is under they won’t now go check the other.
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Post by muddyfunster on Jul 28, 2024 17:33:43 GMT
Real shame, but the rule's there for a reason. Also harder to argue it made no difference when margins were so close.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jul 28, 2024 18:01:28 GMT
1.5kg seems fairly significant as fuckups go. Hard to say that's just a lack of rubber pickup on the Belgium specific route back to the pits. Also would have made some marginal cumulative difference to his tyre wear on that long stint.
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Post by darkling on Jul 28, 2024 18:08:58 GMT
Yeah, goes a long way to explain how George made his tyres last. I was wondering how the hell he did it, unless George was literally the only person at the circuit who properly understood the hard tyre wear.
What I don't quite understand is when the commentators say the "hard is the better tyre". I assume they don't mean in a direct comparison to the medium, but instead if you take into account the medium tyre will require an extra pit stop for a second set, over the course of the race?
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 28, 2024 18:11:32 GMT
Does seem the tactic that lead him to win the race, not changing the tyres again, lead to the underweight that got him disqualified.
Some irony the document number announcing the disqualification was 44.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jul 28, 2024 18:14:15 GMT
The hard in the modern era does fairly often just turn out to be the better tyre after just a handful of laps. As there are five compounds it seems they quite frequently pick three for a weekend that are suboptimal and they either wear like crazy or just last forever.
I'd like to see them get a bit of a rework to stretch the pace deficit between each compound but teams would probably just counter whatever they do by managing their pace even further. No easy win really.
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Post by damagedinc on Jul 28, 2024 20:20:44 GMT
Yeah that's defo the result of running a strategy that wasn't really possible. It was just too good to be true. Too much rubber and no pick up on a cool down lap.
It's a shame in a way because these strategies should be encouraged.
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Post by muddyfunster on Jul 28, 2024 21:23:48 GMT
If they can prove it was the tyre wear that made him underweight then I'd like to see a reg change next year so that the minimum weight doesn't include the tyres. The stewards can just have control tyres they stick on before the weigh bridge of a known weight.
As you say we don't want brave strategies and variety to be discouraged.
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Post by mastercracker on Jul 29, 2024 7:16:00 GMT
If they can prove it was the tyre wear that made him underweight then I'd like to see a reg change next year so that the minimum weight doesn't include the tyres. The stewards can just have control tyres they stick on before the weigh bridge of a known weight. As you say we don't want brave strategies and variety to be discouraged. The usual requirement to go round picking up rubber has always looked a bit of a nonsense too so that’s a great idea.
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