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Post by snackplissken on Jan 30, 2022 19:12:45 GMT
Where was Finn Balor and Cesero? Oh wait.. they got replaced by Bad Bunny and Shane.
Honestly at this point it’s far too easy to rip into WWE. Just give a big sigh and dust it under the carpet.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 30, 2022 19:57:10 GMT
Finn is taking time off at the moment.
He recently said not being able to leave America as much recently really took it out of him mentally as its the longest he's been without seeing family.
Cesaro should have been in it though and Eliminated Osmos by himself.
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Post by rawshark on Jan 30, 2022 20:10:38 GMT
Ten years of being one of the best workers in the company and thus is how they recognise it. Ask for your release Claudio.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 30, 2022 20:25:45 GMT
Crazy how they have never seen him as a star. Well by them I mean Vince.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 20:35:10 GMT
Cesaro is fuckin' great, man. Whether he's being a dickhead heel or a comedy tag partner with Kidd. Strongman or high flyer. He can do it all. I don't get what Vince's hangup with him is.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 30, 2022 21:16:31 GMT
God knows and it seems so many are very high on him. Must be beyond frustrating for those that have tried to get him pushed only for Vince to keep saying no. Pretty sure he would have had 1 or 2 title runs under HHH.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 30, 2022 22:33:03 GMT
This is just... um
So is she just going to be a heel this time?
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Post by rawshark on Jan 30, 2022 22:35:50 GMT
Clearly putting her heart and soul into it.
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Post by simple on Jan 30, 2022 22:42:15 GMT
Cesaro is fuckin' great, man. Whether he's being a dickhead heel or a comedy tag partner with Kidd. Strongman or high flyer. He can do it all. I don't get what Vince's hangup with him is. I know its just a do-over of Dean Malenko’s Bond theme but I always thought this stood out as something really different and cool for a WWE theme |
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 31, 2022 11:04:28 GMT
Sounds like Shane was the main booker of the men's Rumble and he pissed off lots of talent as he tried to make himself the centre of it all.(edit this now appears to be false)
As for themes they need to bring back Johnston as most of the new ones are simply generic.
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Post by simple on Jan 31, 2022 11:06:52 GMT
For all they got accused of plagarism CFO$ put some decent themes together before getting dumped too.
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Post by snackplissken on Jan 31, 2022 11:19:34 GMT
One of my favourite modern themes is Lance Archer's because you feel like someone is going to get their head kicked off. Simple hook.. that's all you need in a theme.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 31, 2022 11:25:01 GMT
For all they got accused of plagarism CFO$ put some decent themes together before getting dumped too. AJ, Nakamura and Roodes are great tracks. Especially Nakamura and I love Pat dancing to it |
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Post by richardiox on Jan 31, 2022 11:39:38 GMT
Sounds like Shane was the main booker of the men's Rumble and he pissed off lots of talent as he tried to make himself the centre of it all. As for themes they need to bring back Johnston as most of the new ones are simply generic. Generic by design just like the booking, promos and presentation. Killer theme songs could lead to talent getting over and we all know how that's a no-no other than the select few. It's crazy that in the attitude era everyone seemed to be over but they could still have lower/middle/upper card differentiation. Anyone who now gets over themselves seems to get booked down for a while..."Rusev Day", OG Yes Movements, Cesaro section etc. Got to remember, apparently people pay to see WWE not the interchangeable "superstars". |
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 31, 2022 11:57:51 GMT
Still can't belive Vince tried to claim Rusev wasn't actually over.
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Post by simple on Jan 31, 2022 11:57:58 GMT
Its crazy that Vince is terrified of any one superstar being bigger than the company when having a marquee name as a top draw is exactly when he makes the most money.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 31, 2022 11:59:04 GMT
It's also odd seeing as Smackdown is booked largely around Roman
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Post by snackplissken on Jan 31, 2022 13:15:55 GMT
In the attitude era everyone seemed to have a storyline, even on Shotgun, Heat etc it spilled onto that. I'm not sure why this has changed, as AEW is in a similar boat to some degree...
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Post by simple on Jan 31, 2022 13:54:11 GMT
I feel like its almost the inverse at AEW right now because everyone on Dynamite is doing a story that’s more interesting and higher profile than Hangman. Honestly, if he wasn’t on one week I doubt anyone would even notice him missing.
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Post by richardiox on Jan 31, 2022 14:14:52 GMT
It's ridiculous comparing what AEW have done with Jungle Boy, Hangman, Kingston, Darby, MJF and HOOK over the last 18 months to what WWE have done with er. ...er.....Roman + anyone who first got over in the early 2000s.
It's not like all those guys have won all their matches but shows there is a way to get people over and book them strong whilst still retaining a sense of competitive hierarchy.
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Post by simple on Jan 31, 2022 15:44:47 GMT
I like that in AEW it feels like a sense that if you can get over then the company will go where the fans lead to an extent - Orange Cassidy main eventing? The rise of Jurassic Express and The Acclaimed - where in WWE if you step off the plan you’ll be punished for it (Rusev, Zack Ryder)
And I know I’ve said it before but its crazy that WWE would rather do that than make the ‘wrong’ money by using those guys.
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Post by richardiox on Jan 31, 2022 16:25:27 GMT
To be fair to WWE they are so corporate and beholden to their shareholders and FOX/USA I can totally get why they need Roman/Ronda/Charlotte/Becky/Brock on top.
The booking is led by marketing/corporate decisions rather than wrestling.
It is what it is but increasingly isn't for me.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 31, 2022 16:38:06 GMT
Think they became reluctant knowing they planned on releasing a lot of talent.
Be interesting to see how they handle Bron when he joins the main roster as that's clearly someone they see as a future champ.
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Post by spacein_vader on Jan 31, 2022 16:53:05 GMT
It seems I don't speak wrestling. What does getting over mean?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 17:02:36 GMT
It means breaking through, winning the crowd's support.
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Post by richardiox on Jan 31, 2022 17:03:36 GMT
Getting the crowd to cheer you basically. Or boo you. Either way, illiciting a rapid response.
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Post by snackplissken on Jan 31, 2022 17:30:27 GMT
I like that in AEW it feels like a sense that if you can get over then the company will go where the fans lead to an extent - Orange Cassidy main eventing? The rise of Jurassic Express and The Acclaimed - where in WWE if you step off the plan you’ll be punished for it (Rusev, Zack Ryder) And I know I’ve said it before but its crazy that WWE would rather do that than make the ‘wrong’ money by using those guys. But sometimes they go cold on pushes. Like Orange had a feud with Jericho, then sort of disappeared back into Best Friends, and only recently got back into the fold with Adam Cole. Same for Men of the Year.. Inner Circle.. Lance Archer disappeared for a while prior to his injury. Brian Cage as well. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 31, 2022 18:21:24 GMT
If Punk beats MJF....
This is actually a big moment for the company.
The only right choice is for MJF to win and if Punk beats another hot young talent its just going to add to the he only came back to feed his ego feelings.
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Post by rawshark on Jan 31, 2022 18:35:57 GMT
To be fair to WWE they are so corporate and beholden to their shareholders and FOX/USA I can totally get why they need Roman/Ronda/Charlotte/Becky/Brock on top. The booking is led by marketing/corporate decisions rather than wrestling. It is what it is but increasingly isn't for me. And they were really, really reluctant to go all in with Becky. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 31, 2022 18:43:51 GMT
To be fair it took a botch to really get her over
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