mcmonkeyplc
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Dec 14, 2022 8:57:15 GMT
The more viable it becomes the private investor interest will follow and we may speed it up. Bit like space travel Shame musk spent so much on twitter haha There are loads of start ups in this field and lots of money is being thrown at it now. It's almost like of you invest in scientific research you get results. Maybe just maybe this time we'll see results within a reasonable human lifetime.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Dec 14, 2022 10:02:47 GMT
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Post by Psiloc on Dec 14, 2022 14:40:11 GMT
we already have the technology to cheaply replace all our fossil fuel electricity generation in the form of renewables. The engineering is orders of magnitude easier than fusion, and the cost is orders of magnitude cheaper to setup than fusion. We have chosen instead to procrastinate and dither. We have chosen to let children freeze to death, claiming it's too difficult to roll out widespread renewables. I don't envisage rolling out fusion infrastructure to be cheaper and easier in the short to medium term, so for now we'll continue to let children freeze to death. I think difficulties with scale, in every sense of the word, is the foremost technical problem with renewables. It's all theoretical right now of course but I'm sure the hope is that a fusion reactor could be more or less equivalent to a traditional power station in the form it takes and the amount of power it produces. At the moment you need to dedicate vast amounts of space to renewables for a less reliable result
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Post by Psiloc on Dec 14, 2022 14:40:56 GMT
Plus not to argue semantics but I'd put nuclear fusion in the renewable category anyway
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Post by cristar on Dec 14, 2022 15:12:42 GMT
Who stands to benefit from this monetarily? Will all the football clubs be owned by nerds in the future instead of guys from Oil states?
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Post by Psiloc on Dec 14, 2022 15:21:56 GMT
Nerds in the short term I guess. Long term, if we get to reactors actually powering national grids, it would be a global financial seismic shift.
Considering the type of people, companies and countries who profit the most from oil, bring it the fuck on IMO
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Dec 14, 2022 15:27:57 GMT
It would cause a seismic change in Geopolitics. The Oil and Gas states would progressively be fucked and destabilised.
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Post by Psiloc on Dec 14, 2022 15:33:11 GMT
Shame.
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Post by Saul1138 on Dec 22, 2022 2:22:33 GMT
First they create a black hole at CERN, now they create a sun in California. What further cosmic horrors will these scientists unleash? I got bitten by a hamster from California. My super power is how many nuts I can get in my mouth.
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Post by Frog on Dec 22, 2022 6:57:33 GMT
It would cause a seismic change in Geopolitics. The Oil and Gas states would progressively be fucked and destabilised. Pretty sure it wouldn't as they already have so much of the world's wealth and it will just be moved into other areas. It's not like it would be a sudden thing.
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Post by aubergine on Dec 22, 2022 7:02:35 GMT
It would cause a seismic change in Geopolitics. The Oil and Gas states would progressively be fucked and destabilised. They’re so stable and unfucked currently.
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Post by Vortex on Dec 22, 2022 10:21:31 GMT
First they create a black hole at CERN, now they create a sun in California. What further cosmic horrors will these scientists unleash? I got bitten by a hamster from California. My super power is how many nuts I can get in my mouth. Deez?
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Post by zagibu on Dec 22, 2022 16:57:46 GMT
Unfortunately, this is as far from a practical application as possible. They are shooting with 192 gigantic lasers (warehouse sized) at a tiny pellet of fusionable material encased in a gold shell. This pellet then explodes, but a tiny amount of time, at the start of the explosion, there is actual fusion happening, and it's producing more energy than the laserlight that heats it up.
Unfortunately, a few nanoseconds later, the explosion moved the material so far apart, that the fusion is already stopping again. Also, the lasers are very inefficient and the laserlight that is coming out of them has only like 1% of the energy that was put into the lasers. Their claim of ignition only covers the part from the laserlight on, which means that the fusion produces only a few % (single digit) of the total energy that was put into it.
Oh, and the pellet has to be replaced afterwards, and the lasers readjusted, because they apparently move out of focus due to the heat.
This whole branch of fusion (inertia based) is probably never gonna produce a power plant. But it could probably be weaponized. Yay.
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Post by dfunked on Dec 22, 2022 23:52:54 GMT
So you're saying it might not be ready next year? 2024 sounds fair.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Dec 23, 2022 12:21:40 GMT
It's not a practical power source but it does show that we can also produce more energy from from fusion than went in right? Isn't that the big deal? Not that we now have a fusion power plant.
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Post by aubergine on Dec 23, 2022 14:23:21 GMT
Unfortunately, this is as far from a practical application as possible. They are shooting with 192 gigantic lasers (warehouse sized) at a tiny pellet of fusionable material encased in a gold shell. This pellet then explodes, but a tiny amount of time, at the start of the explosion, there is actual fusion happening, and it's producing more energy than the laserlight that heats it up. Unfortunately, a few nanoseconds later, the explosion moved the material so far apart, that the fusion is already stopping again. Also, the lasers are very inefficient and the laserlight that is coming out of them has only like 1% of the energy that was put into the lasers. Their claim of ignition only covers the part from the laserlight on, which means that the fusion produces only a few % (single digit) of the total energy that was put into it. Oh, and the pellet has to be replaced afterwards, and the lasers readjusted, because they apparently move out of focus due to the heat. This whole branch of fusion (inertia based) is probably never gonna produce a power plant. But it could probably be weaponized. Yay. They did say quite loudly that this is a step and that viable fusion is 30 years away, but a step is a step closer.
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Post by zagibu on Dec 23, 2022 15:37:19 GMT
I mean, yeah, they have proven in an experiment, that ignition can indeed be done. Which is already a fantastic scientific achievement.
My point is just that this is "only" a scientific breakthrough. It doesn't bring us any closer to functional fusion power plants. The only practical applications it has is for weapons.
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Post by Lizard on Dec 23, 2022 15:44:38 GMT
Yeah, but surely we can use such a weapon to threaten the atoms into fusing?
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Post by aubergine on Dec 24, 2022 0:49:59 GMT
My point is just that this is "only" a scientific breakthrough. It doesn't bring us any closer to functional fusion power plants. Dude.
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Post by zagibu on Dec 24, 2022 1:25:25 GMT
I'm just tired of people talking about fusion power plants, when they don't even have god damn solar panels on their roof. I still see new houses built with regular tiles. Absolute lunacy.
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Post by khanivor on Dec 24, 2022 5:07:21 GMT
Discovering how to start a fire was cool and all, but it didn’t bring us any closer to building an oven.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 24, 2022 5:22:23 GMT
I can sort of agree with that sentiment when it's about, say, space exploration. I don't care if we go to Mars, Mars is a complete shithole, let's make our planet better before we start worrying about other ones.
Free and clean energy will (eventually) make our planet better, though, so even a baby step is worth celebrating imo.
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Post by deebs on Dec 24, 2022 5:58:26 GMT
Yeah, quite. If we can terraform an alien world, we can fucking well fix ours. Ludicrous.
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Post by zagibu on Dec 24, 2022 11:27:33 GMT
Discovering how to start a fire was cool and all, but it didn’t bring us any closer to building an oven. This is actually a pretty bad comparison, because fusion has been discovered a long time ago. It's more like showing that when you erect a huge wooden pole on top of a hill during a thunderstorm, lightning will strike it and it will start to burn.
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Post by aubergine on Dec 24, 2022 12:44:14 GMT
Well, I’m going to come back to this thread in thirty years and go “fuck you! told you so” except we’ll all be dead by Iranian drones by then.
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Post by zagibu on Dec 24, 2022 12:51:21 GMT
Hey man, if I turn out to be wrong, which is very possible, I'll actually be glad, because we really need fusion power asap.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Dec 25, 2022 17:36:16 GMT
This is the first scientific breakthrough I can remember where there's almost been an equal amount of pessimistic news articles as much as there is optimism.
I think it's where we are as a society that nothing can be taken as good news. There is always a downside.
Which is good but also shit.
It's also probably because it's fusion and it's history with only another 50 years for nearly a century.
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Post by ozthegweat on Dec 25, 2022 21:49:44 GMT
They did say quite loudly that this is a step and that viable fusion is 30 years away, but a step is a step closer. I remember reading about fusion power as a child, and back then it was "still 20-30 years away". And it has been since then for the last 30 years, and still is. Frustrating, really,
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Post by peekconfusion on Dec 25, 2022 22:05:47 GMT
Relative to all the stuff we spend money on, the money allocated to solving what may be one of the most complex but rewarding challenges in physics is peanuts. It we had thrown the requisite billions at it like we should have done, we'd probably be a lot closer than we are now.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on May 11, 2023 12:46:46 GMT
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