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Post by simple on Jan 10, 2023 18:12:02 GMT
Well, who the fuck else have they got? Other than Spiderman, he's probably the biggest Avenger they have left and it remains to be seen whether we get another Spiderman. Leaves you with Thor and Ant Man. Mmm, top quality content. But they’ve got Fantastic Four and X-Men in their backpocket for when this multiverse stuff wears out its welcome and they run out of D-listers to give tv shows to.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 10, 2023 20:05:00 GMT
X-Men is a fucking huge one if done right as there's so many characters and plot points they can mine off it.
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Post by Saul1138 on Jan 10, 2023 20:06:10 GMT
Is this one of those trailers that gives away the entire movie? Due to the multiversal stakes, you will never know. I like the look of it, if I am honest. I know people have a hard on for practical effects, but some of the worlds in the comics could not be properly realised with a constructed set. Obviously, the story and acting are king, but I remain optimistic.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 10, 2023 21:15:21 GMT
X-Men is a fucking huge one if done right as there's so many characters and plot points they can mine off it. They could make some with wolverine in, I hear he’s quite popular.
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Post by aubergine on Jan 11, 2023 1:08:52 GMT
I mean, there were two years between Far From Home and Black Widow. Considering we were used to three films a year by that point, that was quite the hiatus. Everyone on this thread seems super grumpy about the MCU, but I know by the time BW came out in 2021 me and my fellow excited-MCU-nerd friends were desperate for more. That felt like a HUGE gap. Now we've got even more capital-C Content than we know what to do with, so I actually would appreciate a bit more breathing room. If the rumours are true of them moving away somewhat from D+ series and focusing on films and one-off specials, then I think that would actually be a bit better. I'm incredibly excited by this film, in terms of how it positions Kang going forward; I do worry that it's out of place for an Ant-Man film though, as the previous two have been low-stakes and rather jolly affairs. I’m not, but I think my expectations were more tempered. I expected it to deflate after Endgame, and to a certain extent it has, as well as over-extending itself, but I might be a rarity in that I liked all the Disney+ stuff (other than Falcon / Soldier) but there also seems like a sharper dichotomy, with the best movies being better, and the worst movies being worse. Spider-Man 3 was great, Strange 2, Shang-Chi, Black Panther 2 met my high expectations, and Black Widow, Thor 4 and Eternals were surprisingly bad, in descending order. That an odd slate, 4 top movies and 3 shite ones, nothing in between for me. Opinions vary obviously, and I haven’t given the 3 shite ones the second viewing that usually forgives a lot. I think they’ve lost their way a bit and making too much content too quickly, but if anything, the content manages to be better than you would expect under those circumstances.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 11, 2023 7:00:13 GMT
X-Men is a fucking huge one if done right as there's so many characters and plot points they can mine off it. They could make some with wolverine in, I hear he’s quite popular. They literally *are* making a film with Wolverine in it. I'm looking forward to Quantumania. Last I checked nobody is forcing anyone to watch these films, and I find the idea that it's somehow mandatory watching because it has Kang and he's the next big bad a bit laughable. The MCU films still deal with fairly simple stories, missing a few isn't going to lead to confusion in future films. If you're bored of watching them take a break?
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Post by simple on Jan 11, 2023 7:56:55 GMT
As an aside just so it doesn’t get lost - I like Falcon & Winter Soldier and think it is one of the ones that worked best and most consistently as a tv show
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Post by LegendaryApe on Jan 11, 2023 8:55:03 GMT
I enjoyed it, but as I mentioned before it really bothered me how absolutely, unashamedly shit Bucky was in a fight, after holding his own against Cap and Black Panther in the movies.
I know he was holding back and his killer instinct from his programming was tempered by getting his humanity back, but he was as much use as a rock rolled in shit.
You wouldn't want to get hit by it, but it's very unlikely to happen in the first place.
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Post by britesparc on Jan 11, 2023 9:23:57 GMT
I mean, there were two years between Far From Home and Black Widow. Considering we were used to three films a year by that point, that was quite the hiatus. Everyone on this thread seems super grumpy about the MCU, but I know by the time BW came out in 2021 me and my fellow excited-MCU-nerd friends were desperate for more. That felt like a HUGE gap. Now we've got even more capital-C Content than we know what to do with, so I actually would appreciate a bit more breathing room. If the rumours are true of them moving away somewhat from D+ series and focusing on films and one-off specials, then I think that would actually be a bit better. I'm incredibly excited by this film, in terms of how it positions Kang going forward; I do worry that it's out of place for an Ant-Man film though, as the previous two have been low-stakes and rather jolly affairs. I’m not, but I think my expectations were more tempered. I expected it to deflate after Endgame, and to a certain extent it has, as well as over-extending itself, but I might be a rarity in that I liked all the Disney+ stuff (other than Falcon / Soldier) but there also seems like a sharper dichotomy, with the best movies being better, and the worst movies being worse. Spider-Man 3 was great, Strange 2, Shang-Chi, Black Panther 2 met my high expectations, and Black Widow, Thor 4 and Eternals were surprisingly bad, in descending order. That an odd slate, 4 top movies and 3 shite ones, nothing in between for me. Opinions vary obviously, and I haven’t given the 3 shite ones the second viewing that usually forgives a lot. I think they’ve lost their way a bit and making too much content too quickly, but if anything, the content manages to be better than you would expect under those circumstances. I think this is a very fair take TBH, and probably best reflects the current output. For me, my biggest criticism really is that movie-wise everything has been more-or-less good (with No Way Home being the only thing that I genuinely flat-out adored, although I do have a lot of love for Thor) but there hasn't been anything that's truly surprising in the way that, say, Guardians felt left-field, or Ant-Man was better than everyone expected, or how impressively Endgame stuck the landing. I actually think, quality-wise, the TV stuff probably is better; She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel ticked all the "surprise/excellent" boxes I mentioned before, and you've also had really solid, entertaining, good shows like Loki and Hawkeye. I feel a lot of the shows have a tendency to sag in the middle and then pick up for the finale (exceptions: Loki, which I thought started really dull, and Hawkeye, which was great throughout with a rubbish last ep). I also really, really enjoyed both the one-off specials they did, and I hope there's more of that to come. I'm really optimistic for this year though. I don't think any of the shows will be quite as good as Shulk & Marvel, but the film slate is top, and I think once we start getting more info about Fantastic Four and the mutants in the MCU everyone's gonna get really excited again like it's 2018.
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Post by Happenstance on Jan 19, 2023 15:38:36 GMT
Could really use a sequel to this for Guardians 3 before Gunn departs for good.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 21, 2023 1:13:50 GMT
www.eurogamer.net/marvels-avengers-reportedly-announcing-end-of-development-as-early-as-next-weekGlol. This game really was such a disappointment, threw away what could have been a quality single player game all for the lure of a GaaS that no one asked for with and with a villains roster of the Avengers they could only give you endless waves of fucking robots because they realised that it doesn't really work when you pair someone like Black Widow with Thor and Hulk so they had to make some really spongey combat.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 21, 2023 11:07:16 GMT
And it's official it's being left to die from September.
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Post by Whizzo on Jan 21, 2023 13:28:27 GMT
I enjoyed the story campaign and a lot of the character missions but too much of it was cut and pasted stuff over and over again. It had a lot of potential but it was completely wasted.
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Post by britesparc on Jan 21, 2023 16:50:31 GMT
Good to see Renner's more or less on the mend. Don't want to seem morbid or glib but he looks in better shape than I'd feared. I guess we still don't know the full prognosis mind. http://instagram.com/p/CnroWavLUqa
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Post by Blue_Mike on Jan 23, 2023 10:16:42 GMT
In an incredibly random momement of fan-casting, I would love to see Doug Jones as The Assessor in a Miles Morales Spiderman movie.
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Post by simple on Jan 26, 2023 18:45:22 GMT
I was all Marvelled out when they were released but in preparation for Wakanda Forever coming to D+ next week I watched Werewolf by Night and GOTG Holiday Special today.
Really enjoyed them. Since my main issue with GOTG is that I don’t like Starlord and find Pratt a bit of a charisma vacuum, this being primarily a vehicle for Mantis, Drax and Kevin Bacon meant it was a lot of fun. Of all the wrestlers to turn to acting no one has Bautista’s range and this might be my favourite of his Drax performances. Mantis has never really had anything to do before now and she was great too.
Interesting to know that GoBots are now a canonical race in the MCU too.
Werewolf was good fun too. The vintage Universal/RKO pastiche mostly worked really well, Man Thing almost looked like a practical effect and apart from maybe the main villain and a couple of the lower tier bounty hunters everyone seemed to be leaning into the style of it.
Both really play into my pet theory that the MCU is now largely just a context to set stories in rather than a single grand narrative these days. Especially when it comes to the tv shows. Would love to see more specials like this and D+ being treated like the shelves of a comic shop.
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 1, 2023 8:05:21 GMT
Black Panther Wakanda Forever is now up on Disney+.
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Post by mrpon on Feb 1, 2023 8:51:04 GMT
Never skip leg day Jeremy
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Feb 2, 2023 1:46:50 GMT
Black Panther Wakanda Forever is now up on Disney+. I'm glad I didn't go to the cinema to watch it. Along with the first I didn't care for it at all, just not interested in the characters and more interested in the wider story pieces that are slotting into place.
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Post by myk on Feb 2, 2023 11:19:56 GMT
I was the same going in, but for me it was a return to the classic Marvel style (if a little more sombre and angry). Just wish they didn't feel the need to keep adding all these kid characters.
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Post by geefe on Feb 2, 2023 11:47:40 GMT
They'll keep adding kids now because people that were 16 when Iron Man came out are now 30/31. They need the "next generation".
Personally, I think the MCU is due a bit of a crash. To my mind, no film series, other than Bond or maybe Fast and Furious has survived this long with such a glut of content.
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Post by simple on Feb 2, 2023 11:59:49 GMT
Especially since I’ve given up seeing them at the cinema and with the direct to D+ series it really feels like films like Wakanda Forever are just the next instalments of a big budget tv show that has quarterly episodes rather than full seasons. They’re not events anymore like a Bond release is.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 2, 2023 12:03:43 GMT
I found Wakanda Forever a bit unfocused. Namor is a decent antagonist though and he's not dead, so hopefully we'll see him more.
Too much time was alright just setting things up for the future though. The whole Riri stuff really added nothing really. The same with Agent Baggins or whatever he's called. I'm finding the whole Iron Man face cam a bit overused now too.i get it, they want to show the actors, but it just feels a bit meh.
I can't say I'm all that fussed by the MCU output anymore, but I find mind because it means I don't need to watch them all anymore, I can happily miss a few and it's no big deal.
Im mostly just looking for forward to the X-Men 97 cartoon.
I have a theory that if Marvel want to get some goodwill back all they need to do is make the X-Men cartoon title theme the leitmotif once they bring in mutants fully.
They've already teased it a couple of times. But fuck, if they used that piece as the basis for the X-Men's film score, a lot of 35-50 year olds would forgive a lot of missteps.
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Post by dfunked on Feb 2, 2023 12:09:04 GMT
If Ms Marvel is anything to go by they'll definitely be shoehorning that theme in anywhere they can.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 2, 2023 12:22:05 GMT
They've used it there and in Multiverse of Madness I believe. Anywhere else yet?
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Post by simple on Feb 2, 2023 12:31:27 GMT
The changes I’d have made to Wakanda forever would’ve been 1. cut everything with Agent Baggins altogether 2. decide whether the main villain is Namor or the US and French governments and drop the other. 3. If its Namor then also drop the Ironhart story Or really indulge and make it a two parter with each being 90 minutes.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 2, 2023 13:12:44 GMT
I think most of the problems in Wakanda Forever are due to Boseman's death, and all the changes they had to make as a result.
I'm trying to remember now what I read in interviews with Ryan Coogler and Letitia Wright, but one of the threads was T'Challa gets back from being snapped and finds out he's got a five-year-old son and his wife's remarried. So he's got this absent king/absent dad anxiety going on. Then there was a time-jump of a couple of years - I suppose the real-world time difference from the 2019 release of Endgame and the 2022 release of Wakanda - and all the Namor stuff starts happening. IIRC there was no plan for Ironheart, and the rather-underbaked subplot of Elaine from Seinfeld trying to instigate a war between the two nations in order that the US could control Vibranium was more explicit, with her positioned as the film's true "villain". However, Shuri was always going to get her own Black Panther suit, I think with her maybe leaving Wakanda at the end of the film.
Considering that the government conspiracy/Ironheart plot threads are probably the weakest (despite me really liking Riri - I just think she was underserved a bit), the fact that those were the elements most changed after Boseman's death does make sense; whereas Namor, the best thing in the film, was always present.
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Post by geefe on Feb 2, 2023 15:15:20 GMT
All I remember of the first was Michael Jordan being underused and the one I was rooting for, with a great death.
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Post by dfunked on Feb 2, 2023 15:17:24 GMT
I liked the bit where he dribbled past the other guy and dunked on him and the backboard shattered.
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Post by geefe on Feb 2, 2023 15:22:55 GMT
I liked the bit where he dribbled past the other guy and dunked on him and the backboard shattered. By the other guy, you mean Bugs Bunny?
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