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Post by zagibu on Mar 24, 2023 8:19:29 GMT
Yeah, it's certainly a bit of an odd part of the game, but I actually quite like it and think it's well done. The problem is just that simply entering right from the start is much quicker and also easier than dealing with maneouvers and cannon salvos.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Mar 26, 2023 18:04:13 GMT
So, done with the Ashen Maw and I suppose I will align with the Huana if possible. But I guess I should first check what they actually want me to do. Roleplaying-wise it should probably be the least sh***y alliance.
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Post by zagibu on Mar 26, 2023 20:22:26 GMT
I don't know. I mean, it's basically their lands and history, but they have a pretty inhuman caste system in place, so I'm not too fond of them. I'll probably go pirates (Aeldys, not Furrante) or just do it alone.
I think I'd actually prefer even Rauatai over the native Huana, because at least they seem to be a merit based society, and don't have this caste bullshit. They are a wee bit imperialistic, though, and very arrogant, especially Maia.
It does seem that the Huana Queen understands that they have to break up with their past and it also seems that you can influence Tekehu quite a bit in this matter, so maybe going with the Huana could still turn out alright in the end.
But then I guess it also kind of depends on what the player decides to do in the whole Eothas matter. I expect there to be some options with quite drastic consequences that will make the issue of who to side with kind of a moot point.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Mar 27, 2023 16:18:18 GMT
I wasn't aware that there was an option to go it alone, but that might be an interesting option for next time. I only looked it up once I had sided with the Huana. Not the best timing, but I was mostly fine with my outcomes anyway.
Not sure how much you can do about Eothas. My impression was that it was mostly set in stone, but I may be wrong.
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Post by zagibu on Mar 27, 2023 18:19:50 GMT
Ah, so you are probably now further ahead than I am. I decided to go to Kazuwari first before heading to Ukaizo.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Mar 27, 2023 19:05:00 GMT
Ah, so you are probably now further ahead than I am. I decided to go to Kazuwari first before heading to Ukaizo. I did just finish it a few hours ago. Slight spoilers: Ukaizo is really quite short and I didn't even have to fight the Guardian as I made a decision earlier which takes care of that boss fight. That was a nice little consequence.
I did sail by Kazuwari, but wasn't quite sure what the location was for. Is that for Slayer, Seeker, Survivor?
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Post by zagibu on Mar 27, 2023 20:13:45 GMT
Yeah, I'm not sure what triggers it, but after I left Neketaka to sail to Ukaizo, I got a message from the steward about a mysterious box in the hold, which triggered access to that island.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Mar 28, 2023 5:39:12 GMT
I was just trying to get to Ukaizo at that point and the game just kept interrupting me with various things, that included.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 16, 2023 9:47:23 GMT
I'm convinced I should like this game so I'm trying it again. Passed the opening section and somehow managed to recruit Heodan with me this attempt.
Spent time (doing what I though was the right thing in shuffling items between the party) for *that* to happen.
I'm now in ValeWood, on my way to Gilded Vale.
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Post by Matt A on Jul 16, 2023 9:58:32 GMT
Yeah I bought it ages ago but haven't played it much. The artwork and everything about the game seems like a labour of love.
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Post by zephro on Jul 16, 2023 10:45:11 GMT
The pair of these are still my favourite, modern, cRPGs along with Disco Elysium.
Divinity the writing is just a bit too generic, genuinely can't remember anything about them except the fun combat systems. Also couldn't be fucked getting to the end of 2.
Anything Bethesda does; just shonky boring writing again.
Even other Obisidian games, like Outer Worlds just are a bit flat by comparison.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 16, 2023 13:00:23 GMT
Right I'm early days, just mooching around gilded vale getting to know the locals etc. I think it was the isometric viewpoint and obsessive amount of numbers/systems/interactions that put me off last time but it's not really any different to any other 3d RPG that I've played before tbh, visit new area speak to everybody, get quests and adventure!
The combat is just a bit of an adjustment. We'll see how I fair. Wish I'd given my main char a better name now it's appearing in dialogue, MistaFista breaks the illusion somewhat :-D
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Post by zagibu on Jul 16, 2023 13:21:13 GMT
Party composition is quite important. You should have at least one tank in your party at all times. Somebody with good armor and the ability to bind multiple enemies in close combat. Otherwise you will get wiped in some fights. Rings that can suppress adverse effects in a small area are also very useful to have on one or two chars.
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Post by lukasz on Jul 16, 2023 14:52:05 GMT
Right I'm early days, just mooching around gilded vale getting to know the locals etc. I think it was the isometric viewpoint and obsessive amount of numbers/systems/interactions that put me off last time but it's not really any different to any other 3d RPG that I've played before tbh, visit new area speak to everybody, get quests and adventure! The combat is just a bit of an adjustment. We'll see how I fair. Wish I'd given my main char a better name now it's appearing in dialogue, MistaFista breaks the illusion somewhat :-D it is helluva long time. since you are in the beginning if you are really bothered by the name you might need to restart |
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Post by zagibu on Jul 16, 2023 15:27:16 GMT
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Post by zephro on Jul 16, 2023 15:49:27 GMT
There's surely a save game editor somewhere? I miss game states not being in something a text editor can handle.
As far as I remember the big tactics things to look out for are armour penetration and flanking. Eg shoot armoured pricks in the back with a gun. Keep multiple loadouts per character to switch damage over to piercing etc. So a slow reload or low damage armour piercer in one slot and rampant damage in the other.
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Post by zagibu on Jul 16, 2023 16:57:29 GMT
I dont think there is directional armor. Flanked is a state when you are in melee contact with two enemies with an angle of more than 90 degrees between them.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 16, 2023 18:30:21 GMT
Sooo my sorc that I've partied up with is annoyingly squishy and seems to be the focus of everybodies rage such that everybody runs past my main guy straight to spell boy and smacks him upside the head.
I worked out that you can only use as many spells you have loaded per level in the grimior so I rinsed through them all and had to rest. Also picked up a priest, similar story as the sorc.
I think I need a few attempts at combat with then to get a feel for it but it's clunky at the moment. Should I be quaffing potions and other goobers more?
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Post by zagibu on Jul 16, 2023 22:05:02 GMT
Nah i mostly ignored potions with the exception of a few hard fights. And i played on hard difficulty.
But combat is probably hardest at the beginning, when you have few options and dont know all the tricks yet. Also small changes in gear can make a lot of difference when starting out, like giving everyone a small shield for example.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Jul 18, 2023 5:35:30 GMT
Sooo my sorc that I've partied up with is annoyingly squishy and seems to be the focus of everybodies rage such that everybody runs past my main guy straight to spell boy and smacks him upside the head. I worked out that you can only use as many spells you have loaded per level in the grimior so I rinsed through them all and had to rest. Also picked up a priest, similar story as the sorc. I think I need a few attempts at combat with then to get a feel for it but it's clunky at the moment. Should I be quaffing potions and other goobers more? Aloth should have some defensive spells* available, even at a low level. Not fool-proof, but definitely helpful. From what I remember Durance has enough heals and crowd control that he usually should be ok.
*Wizard's Double, Spirit Shield at Lvl 1
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 18, 2023 8:12:01 GMT
Yeah I played it for about 4 hours last night and managed to complete quests in assholes compass, black meadow and I've just done something at caed nua that I maybe could've been less snippy about and it would've resolved differently.
I now have a tank, or at least I'm going to push him in that direction. I completely missed him before so I'm guessing something I did after I originally met gim opened up further dialogue.
I now have a FoB so I can rest for free etc I just need upgrades. I moved over to the main pc but my save wasn't in the cloud and I couldn't be arsed to fire the laptop back up so played a bunch of grim dawn.
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Post by zagibu on Jul 18, 2023 10:48:56 GMT
Are you talking about Kana or Eder?
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 18, 2023 11:52:18 GMT
Eder. He was hanging around that tree in town.
I've also got some other guy that's got a arque .. aqebla ... Shotgun! He sings too. Much lols.
Can't remember where I'm off to next, maybe deep into my new stronghold.
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Post by zagibu on Jul 18, 2023 16:35:31 GMT
Yeah, Eder is the perfect tank. The Chanter is Kana. Chanters are useful, because they cant run out of skill uses during combat.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Jul 19, 2023 5:41:17 GMT
crashV👀d👀: What class are you actually playing yourself?
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 19, 2023 7:09:03 GMT
Amuanaian mercenary. Big blue avatar looking mofo that prefers 2h weapons and is very big on athletics and survivability.
I'm not sure if I should be spreading point but I've gone for specialising. Technically my guy could be the tank I suppose but I prefer him to be the 'pain' now that eder is the 'wall'.
I finally got back with the blacksmiths wares and earned myself a big unique shield. I'm resting up in town and then descending into the endless paths I think
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Post by zagibu on Jul 19, 2023 20:32:38 GMT
Sword and board fighter class character is the best tank, because they start with 30 deflection and get lots more from their shield. The heavy armor and shield limit them in their offensive capabilities, though, so it's better to have a second melee damage dealer, like you seem to have with your main char.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Jul 20, 2023 5:58:52 GMT
Did you try and optimize your starting attributes? Just out of interest. It shouldn't matter too much as you are getting quite some stats on level-up anyway.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 20, 2023 10:32:23 GMT
Did you try and optimize your starting attributes? Just out of interest. It shouldn't matter too much as you are getting quite some stats on level-up anyway. I can't remember if I changed anything or just stuck with the Merc stats. TBH the amount of reading require as I was mousing over each stat was starting to push me away and I just wanted to adventure. I'm going to stick at it as the story is interesting but I think the gameplay might be a bit too slow going for me longterm. I think I like slower placed realtime combat. /Whispering I kinda like the new D4 patch changes cos it's slowing it down but I can't say it in that thread cos it went down like a shit sandwich with everybody else /stopswhispering |
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Post by zagibu on Jul 20, 2023 15:57:17 GMT
Some Pillars fights are very good, others are a bit boring, I agree. And yeah, there's a lot to read, and unfortunately, some things are a bit unintuitive, for example how casters also need good perception to be able to hit with their spells. Or in general how skill hits are computed (accuracy vs. fortitude, accuracy vs. willpower, etc.). It actually creates kind of an interesting playground for complex battles, but when you don't want to bother with all these details, it can lead to some surprisingly hard fights here and there, because some enemy skill is accidentially targeting one of your weaknesses, or the other way around, you are trying to bash against some monster's freakishly high specific defense.
I guess what you can keep in mind is that when you miss constantly with some skills in a fight, it's time to hover over the monster and carefully read its defenses, and which of them your skills are actually targeting. Same if some monsters deal super high damage to you or are constantly successful with their skill applications. And then it's often time to reload and change equipment, use some specific buffs/debuffs in the fight, or quaff some specialized potions.
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