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Post by TheSaint on Oct 11, 2021 17:11:11 GMT
Right, so if Company A has a brand I like, that means something to me and my friends (football, hamburgers, whatever), I can leave any moral misgivings at the door even if the Company's new primary purpose is to distract from the fact that they kill hundreds if not thousands of innocents in other countries? If football is an entertainment product, but is also about 'community', surely you can see how utterly fucked up that looks to everyone else. I don’t necessarily disagree with your opinions about Newcastle but don’t you support Brighton who are owned by someone who made their money from gambling? Obviously not the same as murdering journalists but still something that has ruined countless lives and continues to cause misery across the country. I don’t think any of us can really claim the moral high ground. Just different degrees of awfulness. |
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Post by simple on Oct 11, 2021 17:13:46 GMT
Newcastle fans, and the Premier League in general absolutely savaged by the latest Football Weekly. 'You are being used by a brutal regime, and there seems to be a mass delusion to the facts' Haven’t listened yet but already guessing that quote is from Phillipe? I’ve not listened for ages but Auclair on our horrible new owners will be worth tuning in for |
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Post by Dougs on Oct 11, 2021 17:14:06 GMT
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Post by dogbot on Oct 11, 2021 17:16:50 GMT
Modern western society is built on atrocities. Football is just catching up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 17:18:29 GMT
And it's not as easy as just stoppinga supporting the club you've supported all your life.
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 11, 2021 17:22:11 GMT
Right, so if Company A has a brand I like, that means something to me and my friends (football, hamburgers, whatever), I can leave any moral misgivings at the door even if the Company's new primary purpose is to distract from the fact that they kill hundreds if not thousands of innocents in other countries? If football is an entertainment product, but is also about 'community', surely you can see how utterly fucked up that looks to everyone else. I don’t necessarily disagree with your opinions about Newcastle but don’t you support Brighton who are owned by someone who made their money from gambling? Obviously not the same as murdering journalists but still something that has ruined countless lives and continues to cause misery across the country. I don’t think any of us can really claim the moral high ground. Just different degrees of awfulness. Yeah this is what I was trying to say in my last post, basically where do you draw the line, I mean PSG and Citys owners are truly horrific and then you have Romans corrupt dirty money, you have gambling tycoons who ruin 1000's of lives daily, You have American billionaires who pillage the clubs, destroy livelihoods and families to make more money for shareholders and themselves. Its never ending |
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 11, 2021 17:25:41 GMT
However those Geordie fans wearing towels on their head and waving flags in celebration need to be culled.
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Post by simple on Oct 11, 2021 17:34:11 GMT
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Post by deez on Oct 11, 2021 17:35:28 GMT
Right, so if Company A has a brand I like, that means something to me and my friends (football, hamburgers, whatever), I can leave any moral misgivings at the door even if the Company's new primary purpose is to distract from the fact that they kill hundreds if not thousands of innocents in other countries? If football is an entertainment product, but is also about 'community', surely you can see how utterly fucked up that looks to everyone else. I don’t necessarily disagree with your opinions about Newcastle but don’t you support Brighton who are owned by someone who made their money from gambling? Obviously not the same as murdering journalists but still something that has ruined countless lives and continues to cause misery across the country. I don’t think any of us can really claim the moral high ground. Just different degrees of awfulness. Home town boy made good who's family has been involved in the club for generations, who made a fortune using stats to advise private clients on gambling. Pretty low on the awful chart IMO. |
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 11, 2021 17:38:17 GMT
Totally fine with calling out arseholes wearing towels on their heads etc.
What was the gist of Football Weekly, then? I haven't had a chance to listen. Is the idea that Newcastle fans should not tacitly endorse the sportswashing of the Saudi regime and should vote with their feet/wallets and stop supporting the club with the aim of hoping the owners sell up?
If so, how far should this be extended? I mean, all your clubs are playing in the same league, the one that's likewise endorsing and enabling this sportswashing. Indeed, the league and the governing bodies are the ones that green lit it, not the Newcastle supporters. Should you not all be cancelling your season tickets and Sky/BT subscriptions now, then?
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Post by Gl3n on Oct 11, 2021 17:44:14 GMT
As a 'small team' fan in Brighton, I care about the club as a vehicle in the community rather than the sporting results. I care about the sporting results in that its great for the area I live and grew up in, but that's it. I'm talking about retaining premier league status, with anything else a bonus. Obviously I'm loving the opening weekends of the season given our results.
At the end of the day though, even as a lifelong fan and season ticket holder, it's all just a massive reality show and I would walk away in a heart beat over this kind of thing.
I would be cheering a team and brand knowing that their only reason for existence is to help the owners literally get away with murder. That would make me feel complicit. I can imagine being chuffed at the influx of cash for the community though, but at any cost? If we're worried about resurgent fascism in the world some of the attitudes I've been hearing and reading the last week in this country could do with some examination and self reflection. I'd rather not become a promotional tool for the world's shittest human beings, and to defend them or the club's actions. I say that as a fan who followed our team in the depths of league 2, nearly going bankrupt and not even having a stadium for over a decade. This was due to the actions of a dodgy owner 10 times worse than Ashley, who thankfully, is long gone. Bigger clubs have had portions of their soul removed by foreign owners, well Newcastle is undergoing the same procedure right now and its to an unprecedented scale. Its another reminder of just how fucked up the whole system has become, and how apathetic and defeatist people have become. To be clear, I don't think we should be happy about Abramovich or Man City, Qatar, FIFA/FA corruption, either. Everyone still gets a choice as to how they react and if this changes how they want to support their club, though everything from Toon fans has been universally euphoric from what I can see. Our current owner Tony Bloom made his fortune gambling which isn't exactly saintlike. However I'm pretty sure he hasn't killed anyone or ruined anyone's livelihood, and has only ever gambled his own finances as part of betting syndicates in mega rich Asian markets (against other large groups, not Joe Public). He doesn't own Paddy Power et al, and he's against gambling sponsorship. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 17:52:11 GMT
You're a hero is what you are.
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Post by Gl3n on Oct 11, 2021 17:59:02 GMT
You're a hero is what you are. To be honest I think most people are probably the same, glibness aside. People just want whats best for their tribe don't they?
The concern most people feel is the level of delusion or acceptance being displayed, that a community would rather foreign innocents suffered and died so that a football team has a better chance to win a silver cup on TV, that the fans themselves will never touch or be credited with.
By your own omission, you've said that you don't care anymore.
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 11, 2021 18:04:06 GMT
You're a hero is what you are. To be honest I think most people are probably the same, glibness aside. People just want whats best for their tribe don't they?
The concern most people feel is the level of delusion or acceptance being displayed, that a community would rather foreign innocents suffered and died so that a football team has a better chance to win a silver cup on TV, that the fans themselves will never touch or be credited with.
By your own omission, you've said that you don't care anymore.
I take it you will abstain when Brighton play Newcastle? Also shouldn’t you just stop watching the premier league all together seen as they sanctioned the Newcastle take over? It’s shit we know it’s shit, but everybody who continues to watch the premier league is complicit so that includes you too. |
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 11, 2021 18:07:51 GMT
To be honest Glen I think most of the sentiment you express is admirable, but it strikes me that you're taking aim at the wrong target here. Sure, little dicks on social media displaying Saudi flags and wrapping dishtowels around their heads definitely need a slap, but as I mentioned before my wife is a Geordie and a former season ticket holder and she certainly isn't 'reveling' in it. Quite the contrary, which I suspect is likely the case for the majority of fans.
The issue here, surely, is the fact that the league and governing bodies have allowed this, and previous similar examples, to happen. They are endorsing and enabling it, which is what football fans as a whole would need to demonstrate en masse that they are opposed to. But as long as we all continue to buy into the product, be that through season tickets, tv subscriptions, online steam passes, etc., then we're all pretty much complicit.
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Post by Gl3n on Oct 11, 2021 18:11:12 GMT
Well this goes back to the other Prem teams complaining about damage to the Premier League brand doesn't it?
Because it is making me question how involved do I want to be. Similarly I deleted Facebook a while ago because of their own murky shit, so I don't know where my own lines are drawn on this stuff.
If the league have an open door like this, then yeah, it takes some of the enjoyment away.
BTW I appreciate hearing about the unease Dgzter, because as I say its been very hard to detect.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 11, 2021 18:16:31 GMT
The thing that disappointed me was the polar opposite reaction of the statement issued by Pride in Football who represent all LGBTQ+ fan groups, and the naivety of the one the NUFC LGBTQ+ supporters group put out: literally "significant concerns" vs "potential to be a positive influence to improving the conditions for the LGBTQ+ commuity in Saudi Arabia".... WFT???
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 11, 2021 18:16:32 GMT
“ Migrant workers are trafficked into forced labor are typically recruited by agents who charge high recruitment fees in exchange for secure work permits and employment in the UAE. However, once in the UAE, victims are made to sign contracts they often do not understand and that include conditions different from what they were promised. They are then forced to work long hours in cramped labor camps. Wages are low, payments are made infrequently, and living and sanitary conditions are poor. The workers inevitably fall into situations of debt bondage and find themselves compelled to accept the terms and conditions imposed on them. This is particularly common among construction, domestic, and lower-level service workers”
Not one city fan gives a flying fuck as long as Pep brings home the title every couple of seasons.
This is wrong but the precedent has been set. We can’t all be up in arms about it now when we have turned a blind eye for the last ten years
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 18:17:14 GMT
Well apparently since Ashley hasn't spent anything in so long we've got 200m to spend in a January without breaking FFP so I imagine the wailing is going grow to unheard of levels then.
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 11, 2021 18:21:16 GMT
I'd predict you'll end up with a handful of uninspiring squad players and one marquee signing from Man Utd's bench/reserves. Martial or someone for £35m.
Depends if you get a new manager in, freeing Bruce up to complete his long awaiting fourth novel in the critically-acclaimed Striker crime series!
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 11, 2021 18:24:11 GMT
Well apparently since Ashley hasn't spent anything in so long we've got 200m to spend in a January without breaking FFP so I imagine the wailing is going grow to unheard of levels then. You can have martial, Jones, dalot and Fred for a decent price from us👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 18:24:42 GMT
Philippe Coutinho is being heavily rumoured as the Robinho signing. They were on talks with him when the first deal fell through apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 18:28:45 GMT
Are they keeping Ham Hock Head or have there been links to better managers?
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 11, 2021 18:28:53 GMT
Yes, I can see it now. Cartilage injury second week of training. Club refuse to confirm whether Shelvey involved.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 18:33:13 GMT
Are they keeping Ham Hock Head or have there been links to better managers? He's in a meeting with squashed head tonight apparently, most places seem to think he'll be gone by tomorrow. We've been linked with pretty much every manager going. Apparently they want Conte but his preference is to go to a team already playing for titles rather than building a team. Lucien Favre is now favourite who I don't know anything about really. This is all just from the local rag so it's likely all bollocks. |
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 11, 2021 18:35:05 GMT
We will take conte, you can have super ole, along with Jones, Fred, dalot and martial 👍
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 11, 2021 18:35:44 GMT
Nows the moment when Newcastle fans realise they have a better manager than man United....
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 11, 2021 18:36:35 GMT
Please take Gerard from Rangers. That would be hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 18:37:35 GMT
If you didn't like Jose you wont like Conte, he can be more disruptive and fall out with the board more as well.
He'd be a real coup if Newcastle get him though, he'll get all the money he wants and turn them into a real force.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 18:37:48 GMT
Favre and Saint-Maximin can't stand each other apparently so that seems like a good idea.
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