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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 9, 2021 21:26:36 GMT
She's an interesting looking front woman for the takeover, is Kryten.
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Post by Gl3n on Oct 9, 2021 21:28:57 GMT
Its whatever you're personally comfortable being complicit in isn't it?
You could take the view that because XYZ is doing it its the norm and excuse it. Or you could personally decide not to be involved. The latter is harder and more inconvenient though. If my team were bought by some bloodthirsty individual looking to distract from their murderous activities I would be gone in a shot. The shirt, success, failures and reputation, very existence are co-opted for the owner's goal.
I don't believe in outsourcing your own moral decisions and not standing by what you know is right or wrong, while simultaneously bemoaning the state of the world. Everyone has a choice about what they can do, individually its small but one's conscious is clean.
I expect most will take the view of 'its not my responsibility' or what about this club or that, and to be fair its an issue wider than just Newcastle United.
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Post by Frog on Oct 9, 2021 21:36:55 GMT
The premier League should have dealt with this shit long ago. You can't really blame it on Newcastle fans as there is already so much dirty money in the league already.
Football is, and has been for quite some time, shit. You only have to look at the league table posted on the other page to realise just how brutal it is.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 9, 2021 21:39:36 GMT
Don't really blame fans. But the media haven't been particularly responsible with it. Every time I've flicked Sky Sports News on in the last couple of days it's either been an ex-Newcastle player, a Newcastle fan or some bloke who drove through Newcastle one time celebrating how amazing it all is.
It's funny how coverage was the complete opposite when it was the superleague a few months back. Two or three days of non stop screeching and virtue signalling that has been almost completely non-existent this time around. Funny coincidence really.
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 9, 2021 21:47:12 GMT
Okay. But how, for example, have you personally decided not to be involved in the conduct of your own government for the past however many decades? I presume you've paid your taxes during this time? What were you comfortable being complicit in?
Look, I'm not actually disagreeing with you, so I won't bite at your little dig about outsourcing one's moral responsibility, because as I said it is morally repugnant; however, surely it is a little ridiculous to expect Newcastle fans to be the ones to take some moral high ground here when the UK itself does far, FAR worse than just taking the Saudi riyal?
The conversation should be about how the UK government aids and abets authoritarian dictatorships around the globe, and welcomes them with open arms into the country to launder their money, whitewash their reputation, or flex their soft power, rather than on some 14 year old whose excited because his football team might now be able to sign some Man Utd fringe player.
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Post by Frog on Oct 9, 2021 21:53:28 GMT
By voting for other parties or abstaining from voting for any of them. I have also campaigned against some of their decisions. Can't refuse to pay taxes as they will just be taken from me.
Not sure the analogy works there.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 9, 2021 22:00:17 GMT
It's very on point for how things are in the world at large at the minute that the littlest people in the whole pyramid are seemingly getting the most blame.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 22:01:46 GMT
I'll be honest Glen, it's pretty easy to get over it. I'll no doubt be accused of whataboutism here but as the world marches towards fascism again I've come to terms with the fact that the clothes I'm wearing probably involved child labour, my phone the same, the coffee I drank this morning probably involved slaves at some point, the chocolate I didn't eat (no carbs before marbs) probably involved slaves too, the petrol I put in my car edged the world closer to the destruction that my little boy is going to deal with. And I flushed a wet wipe a few weeks ago too.
I'm really struggling to give a fuck about any of this anymore. I'll be honest I'm really struggling to give much of a fuck about people in the Middle East destroying each other when we're on the same path as them.
Being able to watch my childhood team again with my son while the world implodes is going to be be good Glen. So eat my dick Glen.
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 9, 2021 22:02:00 GMT
Well, it’s an extreme example, but you could move to another country and register to pay your taxes there. It’s what I ended up having to do after Brexit, oddly enough. But, yes, happy to drop the analogy if you don’t think it’s pertinent: I think the overarching point, however, as you say your self, is that the anger here should be directed towards the league and governing bodies.
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Post by Syrette on Oct 9, 2021 22:03:38 GMT
Foden is a bit good.
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Post by Frog on Oct 9, 2021 22:06:40 GMT
Future Newcastle captain that one.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 9, 2021 22:13:17 GMT
I can relate strongly to the wet wipe bit. The Mrs always has a go at me for that. Maybe I should start looking at emigrating to Riyadh, let's see her stop me then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 22:18:01 GMT
Aiming a bit low with Foden really. Surely with this kind of money the technology is there to clone a young Paul Gascoigne and make him captain. I mean there's obviously an ethical hurdle there but you know. the murders.
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Post by dogbot on Oct 9, 2021 22:32:35 GMT
I can relate strongly to the wet wipe bit. The Mrs always has a go at me for that. Maybe I should start looking at emigrating to Riyadh, let's see her stop me then. You don't deserve that. The planet will forgive you.
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Post by Gl3n on Oct 9, 2021 22:33:19 GMT
I pay my taxes because otherwise prison, but I vote with my feet on things when I can, because otherwise I'd end up despairing into the abyss at the state of things. I still drive too much, eat red meat and buy stupid shit that was probably made by poor oppressed people. I gave my perspective as Decks asked. A lot of people just want to get by and for life to be easier, not more complicated or difficult. Myself included. Especially when other well off twats are fucking things up elsewhere and are getting theirs.
I reckon the frustration with toon fans is more down to the fact that there just seems to be widespread euphoria when those not connected with the club's recent plight are just seeing a massive sportswash and further decline of the game, as others have said. If this was West Ham, or Everton it would be the same.
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 10, 2021 8:35:03 GMT
Will definitely be interesting to see how the media handles the Qatar world cup when we get a bit closer to it, as well. I suspect they may try to focus most of the discussion on the move to a winter format, rather than focusing too much on the old heinous human rights abuses.
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Post by simple on Oct 10, 2021 10:25:37 GMT
Put the number of slaves killed during construction next to the seating capacity when profiling the stadiums?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 10:28:29 GMT
Looks like Mike Ashley might be buying Derby. As if things couldn't get any worse for them.
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Post by jono62 on Oct 10, 2021 10:40:26 GMT
It's better than what they have right now.
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Post by simple on Oct 10, 2021 11:20:41 GMT
Looks like Mike Ashley might be buying Derby. As if things couldn't get any worse for them. oh man
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Post by mikew1985 on Oct 10, 2021 14:30:33 GMT
Will definitely be interesting to see how the media handles the Qatar world cup when we get a bit closer to it, as well. I suspect they may try to focus most of the discussion on the move to a winter format, rather than focusing too much on the old heinous human rights abuses. It depends what you mean by media when you say media? I heard this same line with the Ronaldo rape case when he re signed for us but it was reported and remarked on in plenty of the media, including pretty main stream sources. Certainly here in Ireland. I'm guessing you know about the human rights abuses because of the media? I suspect plenty of outlets will deliver plenty of in depth reports on the issues and human rights abuses close to the time. Heck, even the likes of sky might do a story because sure they don't have the world cup so fuck it.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 10, 2021 14:45:39 GMT
The Human rights abuses have definitely been reported by the sports pages - and perhaps even front page stuff - but mostly by the likes of the Guardian and Indy. But not sure I've seen much in the broadcast media or the red tops.
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 10, 2021 14:58:33 GMT
It's definitely been reported, though as Dougs says my perception has been that there's been a little less of it in both the broadcast media and the red tops.
I certainly wasn't trying to suggest it hasn't been reported or remarked upon, the operative word I used was 'handles'. And I think that's going to be interesting to see how that develops as we get closer to it. Will there, for instance, been any talk of the appropriateness of actually taking part in the tournament to begin with, which is perhaps relevant to the recent discussion about the Saudi takeover at Newcastle? What will travel advice be like to supporters from the LGBTQ+ communities? Or, indeed, general behavioral advice to the travelling support in terms of alcohol consumption or public displays of physical intimacy etc.?
I'll just be interested to see how it's going to go, really.
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Post by reddevil93 on Oct 10, 2021 19:35:49 GMT
Mmmm, Varane off injured and Maguire still out with a ridiculous run of games coming up.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Oct 10, 2021 20:27:58 GMT
We are due the comedy stylings of Bailly and Jones I'd say.
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Post by mikew1985 on Oct 10, 2021 20:32:06 GMT
The Human rights abuses have definitely been reported by the sports pages - and perhaps even front page stuff - but mostly by the likes of the Guardian and Indy. But not sure I've seen much in the broadcast media or the red tops. Yea well Sky definitely don't go hard at it which is wrong but they have a conflict of interest there so you'd hardly expect different.
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Post by Gl3n on Oct 11, 2021 16:47:35 GMT
Newcastle fans, and the Premier League in general absolutely savaged by the latest Football Weekly.
'You are being used by a brutal regime, and there seems to be a mass delusion to the facts'
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Post by Zomoniac on Oct 11, 2021 16:54:12 GMT
Newcastle fans, and the Premier League in general absolutely savaged by the latest Football Weekly. 'You are being used by a brutal regime, and there seems to be a mass delusion to the facts' Haven’t listened yet but already guessing that quote is from Phillipe?
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Post by Gl3n on Oct 11, 2021 16:58:19 GMT
Newcastle fans, and the Premier League in general absolutely savaged by the latest Football Weekly. 'You are being used by a brutal regime, and there seems to be a mass delusion to the facts' Haven’t listened yet but already guessing that quote is from Phillipe? Pretty much.
Barry talking about being mystified by the protests against the Wonga sponsorship and Ashley, but then openly defending the club being owned by the Saudi state and laughing at other fans because they think they're jealous or something. The NUFC fan LGBT chair celebrating and welcoming the new owners, who's head routinely stones homosexuals to death.
Embarrassing and depressing.
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 11, 2021 17:09:46 GMT
Newcastle fans, and the Premier League in general absolutely savaged by the latest Football Weekly. 'You are being used by a brutal regime, and there seems to be a mass delusion to the facts' I'm a Man United fan so I may be looking at this differently but isn't this just hypocritical? Surely this backlash should have taken place when City were took over by the Abu Dhabi United Group. It doesn't take more than 2 minutes on google to find out about the awful treatment of immigrants, the poor, woman and homosexuals in Dubai (a place I wouldn't visit if you paid me). I know the Newcastle owners are worse, but surely the City takeover was bad enough in the first place and we just let that happen with barely a whimper. Same goes for PSG... Then even further back we accepted Roman with the dirtiest corrupt money imaginable... I'm not biased by the way I know our owners (and Liverpools, Arsenals etc.) are terrible people who have destroyed lives and pillaged our clubs for money, but surely when you set a precedent with the likes of Roman, anything goes?
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