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Post by hicksy on May 25, 2024 7:16:04 GMT
Pep’s smug face is going to be even smugger than smuggery cove.
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Post by simple on May 25, 2024 7:41:35 GMT
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Post by Dougs on May 25, 2024 7:49:23 GMT
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Post by hicksy on May 25, 2024 8:39:09 GMT
No Pep… money is not the ONLY reason for City’s success.
Money is also the reason for almost all success in the Prem regardless of club…
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Post by myk on May 25, 2024 9:04:52 GMT
There's no question that Man City have been very well run in recent years, but it all comes from a Chelsea-style hyperinvestment at the start that FFP was designed to prevent.
They've also benefitted from Arsenal going through a rebuild, Utd not doing a rebuild, Chelsea being Chelsea. Having a settled manager and side immediately puts them in a strong position.
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Post by TheSaint on May 25, 2024 9:14:16 GMT
There's no question that Man City have been very well run in recent years, but it all comes from a Chelsea-style hyperinvestment at the start that FFP was designed to prevent. They've also benefitted from Arsenal going through a rebuild, Utd not doing a rebuild, Chelsea being Chelsea. Having a settled manager and side immediately puts them in a strong position. I thought FFP was designed to stop clubs going bankrupt and oweing money to local businesses and charities. That seems to have fallen by the wayside and it has now primarily become a means of maintaining the status quo and ensuring that teams that made there investment before it was introduced remain at the top and to stop anybody new coming in and ruining their party.
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Post by zisssou on May 25, 2024 9:23:11 GMT
Looks like there’s scheduled talks about ESR staying/leaving. He’s got two years left, so either we cash in, or renew. I’m not sure where he fits into first 11. People saying we should sell Vieira instead, but I think he maybe happier being rotated than ESR.
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Post by Dougs on May 25, 2024 9:40:56 GMT
Some reports (well, Arseblog) that Vieira isn't putting in the hard yards in training so could be booted. Which would mean ESR staying for another year. He's got so much talent but does feel like a luxury player.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 25, 2024 10:01:16 GMT
Again City aren't 'well run', they are cheats. You can't separate the two things because it's convenient in some sort of attempt to try and throw shade at other teams who are actually transparent.
It's like saying a drug dealer who has got out of the game and laundered all their money is a good businessman.
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Post by zisssou on May 25, 2024 10:35:35 GMT
Some reports (well, Arseblog) that Vieira isn't putting in the hard yards in training so could be booted. Which would mean ESR staying for another year. He's got so much talent but does feel like a luxury player. Ah ok! Difficult decision. ESR would of course have to agree to a contract extension, because I think we won’t want his talent leaving on a free, so depends on if Arteta can guarantee game time..
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Post by muddyfunster on May 25, 2024 11:40:45 GMT
Again City aren't 'well run', they are cheats. You can't separate the two things because it's convenient in some sort of attempt to try and throw shade at other teams who are actually transparent. It's like saying a drug dealer who has got out of the game and laundered all their money is a good businessman. This. Let's not forget Chelsea are just as bad and we only really know because the new ownership has reported themselves to the league and admitted breaches for fear of personal legal liability had they not. These clubs fundamentally cheated the system to get themselves into systematically advantageous decisions. Everything that stems from that is tainted. The lack of crippling debt, the stadium upgrades, the training ground upgrades, the academy (both facilities and the bribes paid to parents to place their underage kids there) and let's not forget the hotels. Those two clubs bought success with vast quantities of money that should belong to the populace of undemocratic countries. Given their success was 'stolen' from the likes of Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. I get why fans of other clubs may be inclined to shrug, 'boo hoo, did the rich club get gazumped by an even richer club?'. What gets overlooked is that had the Man Utd & Arsenal duopoly continued and/or been replaced by a Liverpool era in the 10's it's highly unlikely the disparities within the league would be so great and that standards would've increased such that 90 pt seasons are now the norm. It's also very unlikely that wage and transfer inflation would've got so absurd as it was those clubs (plus PSG) that repeatedly raised the bar on both fronts. Spending would still mainly correlate with matchday income and prize money.
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Post by Frog on May 25, 2024 12:10:02 GMT
Not sure Chelsea are as bad, they have operated in plain sight and exploited loopholes.
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Post by monkman5000 on May 25, 2024 13:57:02 GMT
Could see Forest going in for ESR if we have to sell MGW (or even CHO). Are there any other promising young English TLAs out there?
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Post by muddyfunster on May 25, 2024 14:07:53 GMT
Not sure Chelsea are as bad, they have operated in plain sight and exploited loopholes. Well they got caught a few years ago and had a transfer ban for 150 breaches involving 69 academy players. Then the new regime have admitted further rule beaches that the old regime seemingly had no intention of admitting. I'd say they are just a bad. Systematic, bad faith, intentional financial cheating. Its not a loophole if it's against the rules. Plus they set the template for foreign billionaires reputation washing with football clubs.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 26, 2024 7:12:17 GMT
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Post by hicksy on May 26, 2024 7:51:53 GMT
I’m all for better football regulation. Player wage capping can’t come soon enough. Mercenary players and your greedy agents and entourages f*ck off to other leagues and hope the door hits you on the way out.
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Post by Syrette on May 26, 2024 8:49:22 GMT
You won't get in trouble for swearing on here.
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Post by clemfandango on May 26, 2024 8:53:20 GMT
Could see Forest going in for ESR if we have to sell MGW (or even CHO). Are there any other promising young English TLAs out there? Can somebody translate this for me?
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Post by TheSaint on May 26, 2024 9:22:16 GMT
I’m all for better football regulation. Player wage capping can’t come soon enough. Mercenary players and your greedy agents and entourages f*ck off to other leagues and hope the door hits you on the way out. A lot of the fans of these teams don't want things like wage caps or similar measures that might introduce a form of level playing field. They want a return to their baked in pre-FFP financial advantage.
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Post by Frog on May 26, 2024 9:40:06 GMT
Well that and it's almost impossible to introduce with football being a global game. It would have to be introduced world wide at the same time and even then factors like cost of living would need to be taken into consideration. It's an absolute minefield which sounds great in practise but almost impossible to bring in as breakaway leagues would be formed.
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Post by monkman5000 on May 26, 2024 9:54:10 GMT
Could see Forest going in for ESR if we have to sell MGW (or even CHO). Are there any other promising young English TLAs out there? Can somebody translate this for me? Emil Smith-Rowe Morgan Gibbs-White Callum Hudson-Odoi Three Letter Acronym (I'm aware they're not strictly acronyms before someone picks me up!)
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Post by muddyfunster on May 26, 2024 9:54:16 GMT
Well that and it's almost impossible to introduce with football being a global game. It would have to be introduced world wide at the same time and even then factors like cost of living would need to be taken into consideration. It's an absolute minefield which sounds great in practise but almost impossible to bring in as breakaway leagues would be formed. Agreed. Given that tax in this country seems easy enough for large corporations to avoid due to inadequate investigation/ enforcement it seems unlikely that a UK football regulator will do any better with regard to finding dodgy payments and practices that circumvent the cap. Likely to end up favouring the big clubs in practice as they'll have the best accountants and most complex ownership structures to better hide related party payments.
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Post by Dougs on May 26, 2024 10:43:30 GMT
It's also less about wages and more about the backhanders and kick backs. I don't think City include any of the payments to family and multiple agents in any assessment of spend. Those figures aren't included as transfer fees.
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Post by dmukgr on May 26, 2024 10:57:00 GMT
You can’t stop the rich teams cheating so you need to do something more radical.
My idea is that the winning team get to take a player, whoever they choose, from the losing team. Fourth division team fluke a win against city, they get to take Foden, with city still paying his salary.
Imagine Foden bouncing around league four until a cup run comes along to bounce him back up the leagues.
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on May 26, 2024 16:06:40 GMT
Welcome back Southampton.
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Post by Tuffty on May 26, 2024 21:53:36 GMT
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Post by hicksy on May 26, 2024 22:03:45 GMT
Imagine a world where players got a reasonable basic salary and only earned big bonuses based on hitting performance targets. They might start putting in a bit more effort more often that’s for sure!
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Post by mikew1985 on May 26, 2024 22:12:45 GMT
Welcome back Southampton. And with the Irish lads going down with Burnley, this brings a few more of them back up
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Post by simple on May 26, 2024 22:14:17 GMT
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Post by Dougs on May 27, 2024 4:35:49 GMT
Contracts based on performance used to be the norm. Bonuses for goals, clean sheets etc. Not sure if there was a change in the law that led to where we are now, or just a case of the market functioning "properly".
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